ambassador to the united nations former governor of new mexico, bill richardson, and he traveled to north korea a few years ago. nice to see you, governor. this is bordering on absurd. what is kim jong-un caring what we do now? it is not like he is running out of food. he clearly does not care about his people. >>guest: well, he did this partly for domestic reasons. the last missile test failed. he has been in office a year. he wants to show the people that he is firmly in control, that the country has military space power, and they are having serious economic problems. part of the test was for domestic reason but he is saying to the world, you have to feel with me, i have nuclear weapons. i have icbm missile tests. i thought that maybe, because he was educated in switzerland, because he speaks english, new leader, seemed comfortable with his people, that he might go in a new direction. he will be following his father and the bellicose attitude they have had. it looks like it, anyway, but the question is, what do we do about it? that is the key. >>shepard: we have 40,000 dead people in sy